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The more we learn, the scarier she gets ...

Once Elected, Palin Hired Friends and Lashed Foes

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Interviews show that Ms. Palin runs an administration that puts a premium on loyalty and secrecy.

And an author she quoted:

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Interest in Westbrook Pegler was recently revived when Republican Vice-Presidential nominee Sarah Palin quoted him in her acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minnesota. "We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and dignity", she said, a Pegler quote that also appeared in the book "Right From the Beginning" by Pat Buchanan. She did not acknowledge Pegler by name, merely citing 'a writer'. The speech was written by Matthew Scully, a senior speech writer for George W. Bush.

Following the Palin acceptance speech New York Times columnist Frank Rich provided an analysis of the political significance of quoting Pegler. Mr. Rich noted that "Pegler was a rabid Joe McCarthyite who loathed F.D.R. and Ike and tirelessly advanced the theory that American Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe (“geese,” he called them) were all likely Communists." He suggested that Palin's use of a quote from "once powerful right-wing Hearst columnist Westbrook Pegler" was intended to send a subtle but unmistakable signal to far right wing supporters.

About the same speech, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. wrote: "Fascist writer Westbrook Pegler, an avowed racist who Sarah Palin approvingly quoted in her acceptance speech for the moral superiority of small town values, expressed his fervent hope about my father, Robert F. Kennedy, as he contemplated his own run for the presidency in 1965, that 'some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies.' It might be worth asking Governor Palin for a tally of the other favorites from her reading list."

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I would definitely love to f*ck her.


You're an idiot.

I recently learned some of this spew against her was not true. The book burning was just some big ruse with clever word play. I still think she is horrible. I mean the dinosaurs 4000 years ago? She said that. The not knowing the Bush Doctrine? She said that.

Foreign policy is HUGE in this election, and everyone was criticizing Obama for his lack thereof so McCain picks someone who is even worse than he is. Smooth move there Maverick.

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She absolutely terrifies me. A BA in Sports Journalism w. minor in poli sci. Six carbon spewing children w/ the eldest about to spit out another and is all mixed up in a shotgun marriage. A McCain/Plain office will have terrible effects on this country, a continuation of the failed Bush regime. But thats ok- she's a VPILF. I'll put everything I dislike about her and love about my country aside and give her my vote aside as long as she spreads em and lets me f*ck her.

i thought this letter was extremely interesting- make sure you take the time to read the entire thing.


Ann Kilkenny wrote:
I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child’s favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she’s like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won’t vote for her can’t quit smiling when talking about her because she is a “babe”.

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months. She is “pro-life”. She recently gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby. She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn’t take positions; she just “puts things out there” and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit. Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin’s kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans. Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters. She’s smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents. During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a “fiscal conservative”. During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn’t even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later–to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once. These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city. As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today’s surplus, borrow for needs.

She’s not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideasor compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren’t generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren’t evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin’s attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the “old boy’s club” when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of “old boys”. Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal–loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State’s top cop (see below).

As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla’s Police Chief because he “intimidated” her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska’s top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it’s pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn’t fire her sister’s ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn’t like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.

When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job.

In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the “old boys’ club” when she dramatically quit, exposing this man’s ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the “bridge to nowhere” after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects–which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance–but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as “anti-pork”.

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah.

They call her “Sarah Barracuda” because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah’s mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as “AGIA” that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked toglobal warming. She campaigned “as a private citizen” against a state initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State’s lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior’s decision to list polar bears as threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President. There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she. However, there’s a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.

CLAIM VS FACT

•“Hockey mom”: true for a few years
•“PTA mom”: true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since
•“NRA supporter”: absolutely true
•social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
•pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it.
•“Pro-life”: mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation
•“Experienced”: Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.
•political maverick: not at all
•gutsy: absolutely!
•open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.
•has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
•”a Greenie”: no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
•fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
•pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.
•pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents
•pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla’s history.
•pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn’t make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

WHY AM I WRITING THIS?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I’ve always operated in the belief that “Bad things happen when good people stay silent”. Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don’t have a job she can bump me out of. I don’t belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that’s life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah’s attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

CAVEATS

I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor) from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla, and I can’t recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall–they are swamped. So I can’t verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my “about 5,000″, up to 9,000. The day Palin’s selection was announced a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90’s.


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I don't have time to read that whole article right now, but one thing I am sick of hearing is Bristol's baby.

She seems she wants to have the baby, the marriage -- yeah that's a little blurry, but I'm sick of everyone trying to spin this into some big pro choice argument. She made her choice to keep the baby, what is the big deal? It's not like she WANTS to choose to abort the baby, if abortion was legal I'm sure she'd be keeping the baby. Plus it's all a smoke screen on the bigger issues like her lack of foreign policy and her giving out jobs in Alaska, then you follow that up with her unrealistic goal of off shore drilling. Insane. But Trig and Bristol? Non sequitur.

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ASOBBrokeup wrote:
I don't have time to read that whole article right now, but one thing I am sick of hearing is Bristol's baby.

She seems she wants to have the baby, the marriage -- yeah that's a little blurry, but I'm sick of everyone trying to spin this into some big pro choice argument. She made her choice to keep the baby, what is the big deal? It's not like she WANTS to choose to abort the baby, if abortion was legal I'm sure she'd be keeping the baby. Plus it's all a smoke screen on the bigger issues like her lack of foreign policy and her giving out jobs in Alaska, then you follow that up with her unrealistic goal of off shore drilling. Insane. But Trig and Bristol? Non sequitur.



ok i'll agree with you here- i guess bringing up the issue of her kids etc is like the republicans bringing up the issue of obama being a "public organizer" or not having any "executive experience". really both arguements are not really all that important to the real issues. As far as her education I think that should be an issue, I mean BA in sports journalism vs law degree from harvard should say something. Even Biden got a law degree as well, from syracuse. Biden doesn't have any "executive experience" i guess but he has been in the senate since 1973, which is a hell of a lot more experience than both obama and palin both have. But what exactly is executive experience? Experience in the executive branch of government, experience in making executive decisions.... I dunno, I guess the constructive semantics of politics gets to me- fact of the matter is that from my stand point the obama/biden ticket looks 10000x better than mccain/palin. and look at mccain's campaign thus far, he's severely lacking any original ideas. "Country First"? He stole Obama's change because it was a hot topic that everyone liked. I dunno I guess I'm just rambling on and on. But I can't stress enough- read the above letter I posted, forward it to your friends. I dunno- and my comment about voting for palin if she spread em blah blah blah was completely tasteless. I was attempting to make a jab at the fact that all these men want to vote for mccain because he has an attractive female running mate- thus her ratings going up when the bikini picture was posted. regardless, I think it is a concept that we need to get rid of- mccain/palin win is just gonna send this country further down the shitter- but who cares? I got a ton of new stock today in AIG, they we're basically giving them away for free- i'm gonna use them to heat my home this winter...

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ASOBBrokeup wrote:
I don't have time to read that whole article right now, but one thing I am sick of hearing is Bristol's baby.

She seems she wants to have the baby, the marriage -- yeah that's a little blurry, but I'm sick of everyone trying to spin this into some big pro choice argument. She made her choice to keep the baby, what is the big deal? It's not like she WANTS to choose to abort the baby, if abortion was legal I'm sure she'd be keeping the baby. Plus it's all a smoke screen on the bigger issues like her lack of foreign policy and her giving out jobs in Alaska, then you follow that up with her unrealistic goal of off shore drilling. Insane. But Trig and Bristol? Non sequitur.


I think it's more or less that it is her choice to keep the baby. She had the choice to keep it, which is what pro-choice is. She has the option to do what she wants to do - therefore, why deny anyone else of their choice, regardless of what they choose?

It's like saying that it's OK to be pro-choice, as long as you choose to keep the baby.



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Matt_Turner wrote:
ASOBBrokeup wrote:
I don't have time to read that whole article right now, but one thing I am sick of hearing is Bristol's baby.

She seems she wants to have the baby, the marriage -- yeah that's a little blurry, but I'm sick of everyone trying to spin this into some big pro choice argument. She made her choice to keep the baby, what is the big deal? It's not like she WANTS to choose to abort the baby, if abortion was legal I'm sure she'd be keeping the baby. Plus it's all a smoke screen on the bigger issues like her lack of foreign policy and her giving out jobs in Alaska, then you follow that up with her unrealistic goal of off shore drilling. Insane. But Trig and Bristol? Non sequitur.


I think it's more or less that it is her choice to keep the baby. She had the choice to keep it, which is what pro-choice is. She has the option to do what she wants to do - therefore, why deny anyone else of their choice, regardless of what they choose?

It's like saying that it's OK to be pro-choice, as long as you choose to keep the baby.



Of course, that's just one of the many levels of scary.


What?
haha that is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. "You can choose, but only this one option." That would be against choosing now wouldn't it be?
Hell I don't want to see abortions either, but god damn, free country for women to do what they want with their own bodies. This is not like smoking weed or anything, this is 9 months of a women's life devoted to pregnancy, even if she decides to give the baby up for adoption (which is the argument I always here). 9 months, she'd have to quit her job and with the shape our insurance company is in it is rough to get maternity leave from certain workplaces. How can the government force you to make decisions with your own body? How in the hell is that fair?

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Matt_Turner wrote:
It's like saying that it's OK to be pro-choice, as long as you choose to keep the baby.

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What?
haha that is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. "You can choose, but only this one option." That would be against choosing now wouldn't it be?


Exactly my point. That's what Palin is saying, that it was Bristol's choice to keep the baby.

BUT

Sarah Palin wants to take that choice away from women.

So in essence, Sarah Palin is saying that her daughter chose to keep the baby, but she doesn't want women to have that same choice, because they might choose wrong. It's a hypocritical statement.


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Matt_Turner wrote:
Matt_Turner wrote:
It's like saying that it's OK to be pro-choice, as long as you choose to keep the baby.

ASOBBrokeup wrote:
What?
haha that is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. "You can choose, but only this one option." That would be against choosing now wouldn't it be?


Exactly my point. That's what Palin is saying, that it was Bristol's choice to keep the baby.

BUT

Sarah Palin wants to take that choice away from women.

So in essence, Sarah Palin is saying that her daughter chose to keep the baby, but she doesn't want women to have that same choice, because they might choose wrong. It's a hypocritical statement.


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Also, the thing relating to her daughter's pregnancy I've been hearing the most about is how it shows the fallacy of abstinence-only sex "education", something Palin embraces - even, apparently, to the point of not talking to her daughter about anything. Most of the abstinence-only arguments I've heard is that sex should be something that parents talk to their kids about, not teachers. Clearly, she didn't do that job very well. I mean, I understood pretty damn well when I was a teenager how to use a condom and what the risks were if I chose not to. And, while I love my mom to death, she never said word one to me about it - she got me a fairly useless book that talked a lot about puberty and not much about sex. So thanks, Rochester City Schools, for teaching me how not to be a teen parent.

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It just gets more and more bizarre ...

Palin's town charged women for rape exams

CNN article wrote:
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (CNN) -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's hometown required women to pay for their own rape examinations while she was mayor, a practice her police chief fought to keep as late as 2000.

Former state Rep. Eric Croft, a Democrat, sponsored a state law requiring cities to provide the examinations free of charge to victims. He said the only ongoing resistance he met was from Wasilla, where Palin was mayor from 1996 to 2002.


For years, Alaska has had the worst record of any state in rape and in murder of women by men. The rape rate in Alaska is 2.5 times the national average.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/21/ ... ape.exams/

BTW, Sarah Palin is famously on record as opposing abortion even in cases of rape and incest -- is it really a stretch to assume some causal relation here?

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